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Bob On This
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 Posted - 04/06/2009 : 12:02:11 PM
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My 89' Voyager has a two burner propane stove. The last owner had never used it (he was the second owner), and had no idea how to use it.
I can not figure out where the propane tank locker is (was).
The line from the stove goes behind the fridge, and without removing
the fridge, I can tell where it goes.
There is a place under the Starboard lounge seat on the flybridge that looks like a hole was patched. Is this where the locked was?
Thanks
Bob
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Bob On This
USA
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Posted - 04/07/2009 : 12:23:19 PM
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Never mind, I found the tank under the flybridge helm..........
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Jimbo Song
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 Posted - 05/04/2009 : 12:49:00 PM
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If that's where it is I would move it ASAP. Originally they had a small tank locker mounted to the swim platform. One of the previous owners must have relocated it to free up swim platform sppace. Whatever, I would move it.
Under the flybridge helm? Lots of electrical connections. Little leak. Little spark BOOM! That's why Carver originally mounted them outboard of the boat and away from everything electrical or heat producing.
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Never mind, I found the tank under the flybridge helm..........
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1987 Carver Voyager 28
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Bob On This
USA
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Posted - 05/04/2009 : 8:29:07 PM
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That was my first thought as well, but the tank, hoses, mounts, everything looks original.
The PO would not have known how to relocate a mouse trap, never mind a propane tank.
Has anyone else found a tank under the flybrige helm?
Why else would they put air vents on both sides of the flybridge?
It does seem a little odd....
Thanks
Bob
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Jimbo Song
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Posted - 05/05/2009 : 07:45:13 AM
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Paul may be able to answer about the originality of thet type of installation. But, I have to tell you, it scares the heck out of me. Having propane in an enclosed space along with electrical connections just doesn't seem safe.
At the very least be sure to closely check all hoses and connections for leaks. I use a very simple solution of Dawn and water. Turn on the gas and apply the solution to all hoses and connections with a small paint brush. If you see any bubbles you have a leak. Also, be sure to check the tank valve and regulator.
Better yet, move it outboard during your remodel. You're pulling out the interior any way so you can eliminate that long gas pipe from the bridge to the galley. 
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Originally posted by Bob On This
That was my first thought as well, but the tank, hoses, mounts, everything looks original.
The PO would not have known how to relocate a mouse trap, never mind a propane tank.
Has anyone else found a tank under the flybrige helm?
Why else would they put air vents on both sides of the flybridge?
It does seem a little odd....
Thanks
Bob
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1987 Carver Voyager 28
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Edited by - Jimbo Song on 05/05/2009 07:52:42 AM |
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Bob On This
USA
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Posted - 05/05/2009 : 08:58:16 AM
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I'm with you on this one. The bridge location is a pain to get to anyway, and I like to be able to turn the gas off when not in use.
I'm thinking of buying, or building a small locker for the starboard side of the swin platform. I need to go very small, but I don't use much fuel anyway.
Now the hose will need to go through the engine room.
Is this a big deal if it is mounted up and away from everything?
Would a propane sniffer work in there, or would I get a bunch of false alarms?
Thanks
Bob
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Bob On This
USA
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Posted - 05/05/2009 : 5:48:13 PM
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I don't have a photo of the tank yet, but these vents are on the side of the flybridge. Are these factory or did someone add them?
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Jimbo Song
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Posted - 05/06/2009 : 3:32:31 PM
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Deffinitely NOT factory. That's an add on for sure.
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Originally posted by Bob On This
I don't have a photo of the tank yet, but these vents are on the side of the flybridge. Are these factory or did someone add them?
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1987 Carver Voyager 28
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carvermitch
Canada
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Posted - 05/06/2009 : 4:28:19 PM
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Hi Bob
These are NOT Carver and Carver never put a Ppropane tank on the bridge. The fly bridge has been modified to take this and it is a ve dangerous setup in my mind.
I doubt that you could even insure the boat with that there. Was this picked up in the survey? if not I would question the knowledge and skills of the surveyer.
The vents are construction vents you get from Home Depot and the like.
Sorry to confirm what everyone else has said but get it out of there asap.
Regards
Paul
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monterey74
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Posted - 05/07/2009 : 08:39:22 AM
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Bob,
I would get rid of the propane stove and eliminate the chance of explosion and the unsightly tank. No matter where you locate the tank/plumbing, leaky propane being heavier than air is likely to accumulate in the lowest part of your boat... the bilge.
I would change to an alcohol or alcohol/electric combination stove. The Kenyon/Homestrand model 206 or 406 are well made stoves that can be purchased used. I have owned several of these over the years and if they are properly maintained and preheated they work great. I don't have any first hand experience with the new stoves on the market, but many of them claim to need no preheating.
If you do a lot of cooking away from an electric power source and need a hotter flame than that provided by alcohol, consider converting your current rig to Compressed Natural Gas. (...If it is available in your area.) CNG is lighter than air and therefore reduces the risk of it becoming trapped in your bilge and causing an explosion hazard.
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Bob On This
USA
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Posted - 05/07/2009 : 10:34:52 AM
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Thanks guys,
Does anyone know where Carver had the tank from the factory?
I have two ideas, one is a locker on the swim platform, but it will be ugly, and be right in the way of the transom shower.
The other thought, was to relocate the tank in the area under the
upper seating area. There are two areas there, and I think (have not looked yet) that I can run a vent line down below the rub rail.
Make a seal for the top and add a inlet vent there as well.
I would really like to keep the propane stove, not that we cook that much, but it would be nice to heat water for my coffee in something less that 1/2 hour
Plus, the stove fuel is hard to find here, and hard to have shipped in.
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Jimbo Song
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Posted - 05/08/2009 : 09:00:23 AM
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The factory installation was a locker located on the starboard side of the swim platform. I still have mine there and, yes, it is ugly. But I like the safety of it being outboard of the boat.
I like the propane for myself. I do not have a genny and spend a lot of time on the hook in remote places. Having a propane stove allows me to cook wherever I am. My stove also has an oven which alcohol would not allow me to do. So, for me, the propane is a good way to go. I do, however, do a complete system check for leaks, abrasions, line cracks, etc. every 6 months.
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Originally posted by Bob On This
Thanks guys,
Does anyone know where Carver had the tank from the factory?
I have two ideas, one is a locker on the swim platform, but it will be ugly, and be right in the way of the transom shower.
The other thought, was to relocate the tank in the area under the
upper seating area. There are two areas there, and I think (have not looked yet) that I can run a vent line down below the rub rail.
Make a seal for the top and add a inlet vent there as well.
I would really like to keep the propane stove, not that we cook that much, but it would be nice to heat water for my coffee in something less that 1/2 hour
Plus, the stove fuel is hard to find here, and hard to have shipped in.
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1987 Carver Voyager 28
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Bob On This
USA
175 Posts |
Posted - 05/08/2009 : 10:57:31 AM
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Jimbo,
Can you send me a photo of your propane locker?
Is the line through the engine room made of rubber?
I think this maybe the way to go. I need a new ladder anyway, so I may put the locker on the port side, and the ladder on starboard, that way I don't interfer with the transom shower, and I norally
dock on the starboard side anyway (old habit from my single engine days)
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Jimbo Song
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Posted - 05/08/2009 : 12:15:48 PM
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I am away from home this week (my daughters wedding) but will be back home Tuesday and will upload a photo for you. The line through the transom is copper. Then from there to the stove is rubber for flexibility.
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Originally posted by Bob On This
Jimbo,
Can you send me a photo of your propane locker?
Is the line through the engine room made of rubber?
I think this maybe the way to go. I need a new ladder anyway, so I may put the locker on the port side, and the ladder on starboard, that way I don't interfer with the transom shower, and I norally
dock on the starboard side anyway (old habit from my single engine days)
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1987 Carver Voyager 28
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Jimbo Song
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Posted - 05/20/2009 : 11:17:06 AM
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OK, I'm back and have a photo of my propane locker on the bak of my boat. The tube through the hull is copper as are all fittings. They are well secured all the way to the stove to eliminate movement and flex. I, about every 6 months, do a complete leak check and have never had a problem.
OK, I can't get the photo to attach. Can someone tell me how to do it?
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Originally posted by Bob On This
Jimbo,
Can you send me a photo of your propane locker?
Is the line through the engine room made of rubber?
I think this maybe the way to go. I need a new ladder anyway, so I may put the locker on the port side, and the ladder on starboard, that way I don't interfer with the transom shower, and I norally
dock on the starboard side anyway (old habit from my single engine days)
Diver Down
1987 Carver Voyager 28
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