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TURIZZIANI
USA
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 Posted - 07/22/2009 : 11:43:49 AM
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Hi guy's anyone have a pair of 302's for sale?
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Rockmeister
USA
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Posted - 07/22/2009 : 7:23:03 PM
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What are you looking for exactly?
Have my original port engine.
It is very re-buildable with a good block.
Am in NE Indiana and travel to the boat in Ohio all the time.
79 28' Mariner twin inboard V-drive.
Western Lake Erie: Maumee Bay & The Islands |
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TURIZZIANI
USA
44 Posts |
Posted - 07/23/2009 : 09:25:44 AM
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| Hi rockmeister, I am kicking around the idea of picking up a pair of 302's that can be rebuilt and cleaned up with new pumps hoses ignition starter ect ect and fresh paint to replace my existing 302's have also been looking at long blocks I'm also thinking about just pulling mine and getting them redone. Mine are original and with my plans of extended cruising (after 3 years of restoration) in this boat would not make reliable sense. What price would you be asking for the port side 302 you have? |
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Jimbo Song
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Posted - 07/23/2009 : 1:05:07 PM
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You might want to rethink that just a bit. If as I suspect, your engines are counter rotating, that is the port engine turns clockwise and the starboard engine turns counter-clockwise, you may have trouble finding replacements. They don't make counter rotating engines any more. Counter rotation is now acheived at the transmission.
Also, unless your engines have some damage they should rebuild very nicely. In fact, you can do so and install some performance parts (larger pistons, hotter cam, mill the heads) and boost your performance quite a bit and very cheaply.
I would recommend talking to a local rebuilder as a first step to repower.
Just a thought.
Bob
1987 Carver Voyager 28
"Jimbo Song"
Palm Coast, FL |
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MizunkY
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Posted - 07/23/2009 : 5:26:48 PM
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| Just curious, if a counter rotating engine is hard to come by, what would we do if we really had no choice but to replace? If it's done in the tranmission nowadays, couldn't we get a counter rotating V drive? |
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Jimbo Song
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Posted - 07/23/2009 : 5:58:52 PM
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First off, I am not certain your particular year boat and engines are counter rotating. You will need to check that.
But, if they are, and if you have to replace them they "may" be hard to find. As I said they don't make them any more. If you can't find a set then you will have to replace both engines and one tranny as well. V drives are both the same. Counter rotation is acheived either in the engine or in the tranny.
Counter rotating engines CAN be found but they are becoming more scarce all the time.
Is there some reason your existing engines cannot be rebuilt? Damage or whatever?
Bob
1987 Carver Voyager 28
"Jimbo Song"
Palm Coast, FL |
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Rockmeister
USA
307 Posts |
Posted - 07/24/2009 : 12:47:51 AM
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General info:
The Port Engine turns the same direction as an automotive engine, it is the Starboard engine that turns the opposite.
They accomplish this by using direct drive cam gears, instead of gears and a timing chain.
That way the cam & distributor turn the same on both engines, just the starter and crank turns backwards.
The Firing order is then simply reversed.
If you use the direct cam gears, they will work on the replacement engine also.
The direct drive cam gears are the only difference mechanically in the two engines.
As Bob mentioned, you can also set up your V drive to do the reversal, most are capable of it, however you have to get a set of the V drive "reverse gears" and they aren't cheap.
The bigger issue is the small, yet important stuff such as:
The correct oil pump drive shaft length.
The correct distributor gear for the cam/distributor combination,
The correct Harmonic Balancer with the correct belt pulley.
(The balance weight and bolt pattern changed.)
The correct flywheel.
Ford changed all of these items over the years, they look close, but do not work together.
The easiest thing to do is use your existing engines and get them re-built, or a couple from comparable years.
(Which sounds like what you would like todo.)
79 28' Mariner twin inboard V-drive.
Western Lake Erie: Maumee Bay & The Islands |
Edited by - Rockmeister on 07/24/2009 12:54:35 AM |
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Jimbo Song
237 Posts |
Posted - 07/24/2009 : 08:49:02 AM
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Gets complicated doesn't it?
But, that's why I love it so!
Bob
1987 Carver Voyager 28
"Jimbo Song"
Palm Coast, FL |
Edited by - Jimbo Song on 07/24/2009 08:52:48 AM |
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TURIZZIANI
USA
44 Posts |
Posted - 07/24/2009 : 09:36:14 AM
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| ANY ONE HAVE A GOOD WAY TO PLUCK THE ENGINES OUT? My 1974 Montery has the engines about 13 feet back from transom dont think I can grab them with an auto engine puller any creative ideas? my hardtop is also over the engines.... |
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MizunkY
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Posted - 07/24/2009 : 09:45:05 AM
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| You could always fabricate a cherry picker on the bed of a pick up truck like rockmeister did. :) |
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TURIZZIANI
USA
44 Posts |
Posted - 07/24/2009 : 09:56:25 AM
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| where did you see cherry picker????? |
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MizunkY
53 Posts |
Posted - 07/24/2009 : 10:23:22 AM
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| it's in his thread on 2008-2009 season. |
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Jimbo Song
237 Posts |
Posted - 07/24/2009 : 12:39:35 PM
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My best advice is to get on the phone with Rockmeister. He's actually done it! 
As for me, I'm more the "let a pro do it" when it comes to stuff that involved. I'm good at the little, in-boat stuff, but for the major stuff I always get a pro so I have someone to blame.
Bob
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Originally posted by TURIZZIANI
ANY ONE HAVE A GOOD WAY TO PLUCK THE ENGINES OUT? My 1974 Montery has the engines about 13 feet back from transom dont think I can grab them with an auto engine puller any creative ideas? my hardtop is also over the engines....
1987 Carver Voyager 28
"Jimbo Song"
Palm Coast, FL |
Edited by - Jimbo Song on 07/24/2009 12:40:37 PM |
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Bob On This
USA
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Posted - 07/24/2009 : 2:52:22 PM
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I guess I'm lucky in the fact that I work for a Cat dealer, and when the time comes (Sep) I will be able to borrow a service truck with a crane.
I will need to reach over the port stern and lift them a good 15' off the ground.
Maybe you can borrow or rent a truck or small crane as well?
I'm with Rock and Bob, rebuild the engines you have, and upgrade if you want. Repower is not very easy, and should be reserved for major engine failure of change of fuel type.
Good luck
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Rockmeister
USA
307 Posts |
Posted - 08/02/2009 : 10:10:37 PM
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Send me a private message with your phone number & I will give you a call!
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Originally posted by TURIZZIANI
ANY ONE HAVE A GOOD WAY TO PLUCK THE ENGINES OUT? My 1974 Montery has the engines about 13 feet back from transom dont think I can grab them with an auto engine puller any creative ideas? my hardtop is also over the engines....
79 28' Mariner twin inboard V-drive.
Western Lake Erie: Maumee Bay & The Islands |
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monterey74
USA
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Posted - 08/13/2009 : 3:34:03 PM
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Brian,
I am not sure whether you have moved forward yet with the engine work, but I agree with Rock that the best plan is to get your existing engines rebuilt. Since you don't have V drives you will need to continue to have a reverse-rotation starboard engine.
If one or more of your engines are not rebuildable, there are many companies that sell rebuilt engines. A quick google search turned up sandjengines.com which lists 1974 Ford Marine 302s in standard and reverse-rotating configurations on its website. I don't know anything about S&J or the quality/price of its engines, they just happened to be the first website that I clicked on.
If there is a friendly marine mechanic in you area he may be able to recommend a rebuilt engine supplier that does a good job of making sure that all the components are identical so that you can achieve a bolt-in replacement.
Like Rock said the "small" stuff is very important. You may need to know the engine's serial numbers as well as the year, displacement, etc... to get a direct replacement. My '74 Pleasurecraft 302s were manufactured by Waukesha at their Iowa plant but I think that Pleasurecraft got their engines from more than one source and different suppliers may have used different components.
Brett
1974 2885 Monterey
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1974 302 FORD PLEASURECRAFT ENGINES
